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    5 conclusions from the confrontation between Vance and Walz

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    Viewers expecting a nail-biting boxing match on Tuesday got a Midwestern bromance instead, as vice presidential candidates Tim Walz and J.D. Vance lived up to their roots by keeping things largely civil while wrestling over the deep differences at the top of their respective tickets.

    Normally the VP debate doesn’t get much attention and has often been an afterthought, but given former President Donald Trump’s refusal to meet with Vice President Kamala Harris for another round, this conversation could be the final contrast that voters have to take into account during the incredible final confrontation. 2024 presidential campaign.

    The running mates didn’t chase each other much and were most passionate when asked about familiar campaign themes, even as the moderators brought up the mounting international crises and the lives lost to Hurricane Helene.

    Vance in particular was fiercely focused on the U.S. southern border crisis when asked whether family separation would be on the policy menu if Trump returns to power.

    “You have to stop the bleeding,” the Ohio senator said. “You need to reimplement Donald Trump’s border policies, build the wall and reimplement deportations.”

    Similarly, Walz caught fire when the conversation turned to abortion access and reproductive rights, calling out how the Supreme Court, which overturned Roe v. Wade, has endangered women’s health.

    As much as Walz and Vance debated the issues in hopes of boosting their future bosses, the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate also served as a personality test for the two. Both present themselves as regular guys who represent Midwestern values, while the Harris and Trump campaigns look for an edge in what is becoming a widening gender gap.

    These are the most important moments from Tuesday’s conversation.

    Tim and JD enjoy playing Midwest together

    The two Midwestern fathers wore their region’s polite reputations on their sleeves during the hour-and-a-half debate to bring out the best parts of their personalities to an audience largely unfamiliar with them.

    At several points, the two complimented each other as they threw punches at Harris or Trump.

    When the conversation turned to gun violence and mass school shootings, the two VP candidates, who are both fathers, expressed empathy for each other as concerned parents.

    At another point, Vance reminded the audience of Harris in the sitting vice president position, complimenting her economic agenda by saying “sounds pretty good,” before exclaiming that she did not implement those ideas while serving in the White House.

    “If Kamala Harris has such great plans to address the problems of the middle class, she should do them now, not when she asks for a promotion,” he said.

    This is especially important for Vance, who according to polls was less favored in Tuesday’s debate than his Democratic counterpart.

    An Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research survey released this month found that about half of registered voters have a somewhat or very unfavorable view of the Ohio senator, compared with about 3 in 10 voters who have a negative image of Walz.

    ‘Knucklehead’: Walz nervous, stumbles in Tiananmen Square

    Walz’s entry onto the national television debate stage was shaky.

    In the opening minutes of the discussion, the Democratic VP candidate’s demeanor was almost unrecognizable compared to his normally optimistic and personable image of an experienced politician, and he was replaced by a stoic, concerned newcomer.

    Walz struggled to answer questions for the first half of the debate, failing to introduce himself as his familiar public titles: coach, former teacher and father. The typically inviting figure rarely spoke about personal experiences, relying on data and talking about his running mate’s record.

    The 60-year-old governor has faced similar criticism for making misleading statements such as embellishing parts of his past military service and criticism from conservatives over his handling of the 2020 riots after George Floyd was killed at the hands of police in Minneapolis were killed.

    When confronted with admitting his latest blunder, Walz was a deer in the headlights.

    The moderators asked about Walz’s continued claim that he was present at the 1989 Tiananmen Square pro-democracy protests, when recent reports contradict that timing. He danced around the question, calling himself a “knucklehead” and saying he “made a mistake.”

    “I get caught up in the rhetoric,” he said.

    Vance sells himself to the national audience

    Unlike Walz, who largely didn’t talk about his backstory, Vance was ready with nuggets from a tumultuous upbringing in southwestern Ohio, which formed the basis for his best-selling memoir, “Hillbilly Elegy,” about overcoming poverty and family struggles with addiction.

    The Ohio senator referenced his mother’s recovery from a substance abuse disorder and shared the story of a woman he knows who wanted an abortion because she was in an abusive relationship. He said more than once that he grew up in a working-class family, something he hopes will resonate with voters in the Rust Belt states key to victory in November.

    Vance also had to confront his past criticism of Trump, and he did so with the ease of someone who has been answering that question since he began his 2021 Senate campaign.

    “If you mess up, if you say the wrong thing, if you do the wrong thing and change your mind, you have to be honest with the American people,” he said.

    Walz brings up tragic abortion stories, Vance tries a new approach

    When the discussion turned to abortion, Walz made an impassioned appeal to the audience through the screen by highlighting personal stories of women dealing with the consequences of the repeal of Roe v. Wade, blaming Trump for the decision of the Supreme Court.

    “Donald Trump started all this. He bragged about how great it was when he got the judges involved and overturned (Roe). Then he tells us, ‘Oh, send it to the United States, it’s a beautiful thing,'” he said.

    Walz raised two women who have become the faces of the country’s reproductive rights debate, namely Amanda Zurawskia, a Texas woman who nearly died after complications related to her 18-week pregnancy, and Hadley Duval, a woman from Kentucky who became pregnant after being sexually impregnated. attacked by her stepfather.

    “Those are horrific,” Walz said. “Senator Vance said two wrongs don’t make a right, there’s no right in this.”

    Vance sought a different approach, trying to portray the Republican ticket as more moderate than Democrats and other critics have portrayed them amid back-to-back losses at the ballot box by the anti-abortion side over the past two years.

    The Republican Party has a trust problem when it comes to the issue of abortion, especially when it comes to women, he acknowledged.

    The Ohio senator claimed he did not support a national abortion ban, even though he advocated for a “minimum national standard” as a Senate candidate. He quoted the story of a woman “very dear” to me who told him a few years ago that she felt that if she had not had that abortion, it would have ruined her life because she was in an abusive relationship fed up. .”

    But he argued how the Trump ticket is doing that by promoting pro-family policies, such as fertility treatments, and helping families financially. He also defended Trump’s position that abortion regulation should be left to the states.

    During the debate, Trump chimed in online, saying that if sent back to the White House he “would not support a federal abortion ban” and that he would veto a national abortion ban if elected to a second term.

    When Walz brought up the case of Amber Thurman, a Georgia woman who died after a long delay in obtaining a procedure to remove fetal tissue from her body after passing abortion laws, Vance said, “I’m with you agree that Amber Thurman should still be alive.”

    No pets allowed: Claims about eating dogs and cats have been disregarded in immigration disputes

    Vance was off the debate stage and claimed that Haitian migrants are eating people’s dogs, startling viewers who watched the Harris-Trump debate a month ago.

    But both candidates invoked Springfield, Ohio, as they sparred over border security — one of the biggest issues in the presidential race. The city was drawn into the national immigration debate last month after Vance and Trump repeated baseless claims about migrants harming pets and stealing waterfowl.

    “I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing behind Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point,” Walz said.

    “When it becomes a topic of conversation like this, we dehumanize and vilify other people.”

    An estimated 15,000 Haitians have arrived in Springfield in recent years through a federal program that grants temporary protective status to migrants fleeing violence in their home countries. The influx has put pressure on local hospitals and schools, and Springfield officials applied for federal aid earlier this year to address the housing shortage.

    Vance cited these concerns during the debate, placing the blame squarely on the Biden administration and Harris. Moderators clarified that Springfield’s Haitian population is legally resident there, prompting a backlash from Vance and leading to both candidates’ microphones being muted.

    “The people I worry about most in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens whose lives have been destroyed by Kamala Harris’ open border,” Vance said. “It’s a shame.”

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